Lettuce Page ….

Can you see wod id iz yit?....

Can you see wod id iz yit?…

It’s been a spectacularly daft couple of weeks in the compact and bijou world of toy trains. My good friend Andy Cooper remarked on this in his own style here http://newheymodelrailway.  Andy’s take on this is interesting as he looks at the issue of criticism with an outside view comparing his experiences as an amateur musician, who takes part in competitions. I don’t know how much criticism he gets but as he’s
A/ Northern
C/ A musician
He probably, (quite rightly), gets ‘some’. Still, without music critics it’d be quicker to clean the bird cage out, as it’d be easier to tell the droppings from the writing.

So, if the latest outpouring of angst and pent up frustration is to be believed, it appears that an editor is now unable to print a letter that shows some criticism of a model, even if the letter is well written and contains additional/corrective material. It is however fair game to write a letter to the editor criticizing a letter that has been previously published criticizing a letter, resulting in a chain of correspondence that drags like a seal’s ringpiece. The critique of course is particularly valuable if the commentary adds something new, which is where this all get a bit silly.

Now before you read the link to the forum, read the actual letter in the attached image.


So this letter kicked off a whole punctured Party Seven of foam and froth. But what is the back story behind it? Well, if you look at the original layout article, the author, in an extended caption underneath the ‘Key Detail’ image states the Macbrayne bus is a ‘constant’, and the short caption draws attention to the policeman.


So enter the anti hero Jane Moss, with such decadent claims to ‘having connections to the West Highlands in the 80’s with her letter,email which politely pointed out some errors. From there of course it and it all starts to head down a very slippery slope, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85228-brm-june-2014-issue/ , wetter in fact, than Rod Hulls roof.

It does beg the question of the value of a letters page, for me they work, though I’ve never really liked the ‘Star’ letter billing. This isn’t unique to BRM, other magazines do it too. By all means highlight one particular letter or letters, but for me the star billing doesn’t add any gravitas or particular merit to a submission. One valid question raised is are the submitted ‘corrections’ correct? When I submit something for publication I try and make sure that the text, images and captions are all appropriate to the article in hand. If they aren’t then I make sure that there is a explanatory note, and emphasize that the note must be published or that section not used. Here’s a case in point, in both Railway Modeller and Model Rail a shot of a blue 08 was included. Editorial teams both hobby and newswire, need accurately captioned images, the picture is ‘worth’ far less without a one liner giving basic details, purely for the amount of editorial time it takes to work out what’s going on.

08's in blue in the Forest? Nah ...

08’s in blue in the Forest? Nah …

I can only find record of one 08 working into Cinderford, and that was a green one. The captions state that this is an imaginary scenario that could have occurred during the 70’s or 80’s. The locomotives that did work into the forest then were 25’s and 37’s and I don’t have an appropriate type to do the shot with. To place this image without explaining its ‘made up’, and ideally why, would be cheating or misinforming the readers.

However if I’m going to take the ‘credit’ in getting published, I also have to accept the fact that if I’ve got something wrong then it’s not unreasonable for someone to point it out. After all they have bought the magazine/book. It’s happened with Albion Yard, I was questioned on my use of stone walls. Stone walls weren’t and aren’t common in the Forest of Dean, and those that are have a markedly different appearance on the top of the wall. Technically mine are wrong. However because someone clearly knows a bit about ‘The Forest’, why shouldn’t they query something that looks out of place to them, especially if the layout/model is being portrayed as ‘accurate’.

So, back to the foam fest. Of particular note, and worthy of Spinal Taps ‘Hello Cleveland’* low spot, is this spectacular entry

3. Who is this expert on all things Scottish railway station colours, busses and police uniforms. Would this person like to put their “head above the parapet” on this forum perhaps and further demonstrate “her” credentials.
4. The letter was signed “Jane Moss by email”. Strange considering the headline title of the two page spread is “Reader’s Letters” and not “Reader’s Emails”, but I digress. An email address in my mind is not a proper geographical address. It all just smacks of slipperiness on the part of “Jane” in my mind but, I suppose, we all on here hide behind electronic nom de plums.

Firstly, have a look at what Jane claims is correct, and lets have a quick look at the cartoon top of page. So why is there a question over the correspondents sex? And by that I’m not wondering:
A/ if she’s getting any
B/ if she’s doing it properly
C/ if ‘head above the parapet’ is a euphemism or predilection not yet found with a cursory google search.

Is it not possible that Jane, could be/have been employed in either the constabulary or public transport sector? Ladies, (though they should really know their place), have been observed wearing police uniforms, (no don’t go there), as well as driving busses. Perhaps our forum detective thinks that a lady in the vicinity of a police car in the period in question has merely mistaken the vehicle for another domestic appliance? They were coloured white after all.

Flat capped Northern Constabulary rozzers

Flat capped Northern Constabulary rozzers

The other possibility is that a relative or friend or partner may have worked with the force, or, using the logic applied by Dockson of Dick Green, that Lady Jane is indeed a wrong’un and has had plenty of time to observe ‘the filth’ through the cell door bars. She might have even been a bus conductor, there! at last we have found a position worthy of her status! merely clipping tickets from important businessmen and workmen. In the film of this saga she will obviously be played by Babs Windsor, shouting, ‘There’s plenty more up top!’ So assuming Babs, sorry Jane, was a clippy at the time on the busses, what do we find?

26022 at Wick - 29th September, 1980

Highland BA30 Fort William

Please follow these links for more details, or get an adult to show you how the interweb works.

Highland Omnibuses K43 Dounreay


Not only had this lady had the affront to use an emailer machine to send her letter, (just as well it wasn’t a proper letter, the poor editor would have had to open an envelope marked SWALK, you know what gurls are like), but its the fact that she’s actually right. I mean next thing we’ll have one running for political office, instead of kneeling like an intern, or worse, running a football club, or FTSE 100 airline company. Where will it end? they’ll be putting the bloody things on Submarines before you know it, you mark my words!

What this episode does show us is that opinions are like arseholes, we’ve all got one, some however are like Beyoncé’s, better seen than heard.

*Hello Cleveland
From the scene in ‘Spinal Tap’ when the band find themselves in the wrong tunnel …


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5 Responses to Lettuce Page ….

  1. Phil says:

    Most people assume that the critic is right – after all, they wouldn’t be pointing things out if they didn’t know what they were talking about, would they?

    Years ago, I wrote up detailing the (then) new Bachmann 04. I’d used a photo as a guide for my modifications and was happy with the results. This appeared in BRM and a few dyas later the editor was on the end of a ranting ‘phone call from someone claiming I’d got it all wrong and Bachmann were right. He asked the ranter to put his comments in writing and publication was assured.

    Needless to say, nothing was ever recieved. And I never had the satisfaction to proving him wrong.

    • penninemc says:

      Believe me Phil, based on my on-forum time there is little in the way of that ‘satisfaction’ to be had. I’ve been in scores of situations where I’ve known someone is factually wrong, or their opinion is based on seriously flawed logic, and ultimately it’s pointless labouring the point because some folk just won’t accept it with good grace. Mostly they just slink off to lick their wounds ’til they can have another pop at you about something else 😉

  2. Dunks says:

    As I have recently posted on my own blog (http://ewjr.org/2014/06/06/), the logical extension of the “If you have no experience you can’t comment” argument is that I cannot vote as I have never been a politician, and in fact I can’t really express an opinion on anything unless I have direct, relevant experience.

    This is a dangerous path to go down: where does it end?


  3. p4newstreet says:

    The problem here was that because someone had something published it made him dismissive of the opinions of others. Comments like ‘let’s see her layout’ or ‘where’s her articles’ do those saying such things no favours. Sadly it’s a reflection of some people that they equate being well known to being knowledgeable or good at something. Of course that’s not always the case. Those that are truly good at something embrace feedback regardless of th timing or wording, those who are just in it for the ego massage will not.

    • Phil says:

      Some people can take criticism and others can’t. I suspect that this owner was well versed in the ways of the on-line forum and reacted in the same way he would on-line. The idea that the crtic should show their credentials by demonstraiting some ability in the areas they claim to be expert in is because the web is full of “experts” who feel the need to tell others what to do. It’s quite reasonable to know about a topic and not have built a model of it of course but there are a lot of people far more expert in everything than anyone else hanging around their keyboards ready to lay down the law. If you think you’ve come up against one, it’s easier to be agreaved and reach DEFCON 1 on your computer than when you talk to someone who’s opinions you respect. I’m sure you can think of a few people who fit this description…

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